Actor Spotlight on Daniel Tatar

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Katherine Beck
You're listening to the All American actors Podcast, episode 74. In today's episode, I am speaking with one of my blasts from the past friends Daniel Tater. He shared with us his experience of being an actor singing on Carnegie Hall and what his experience being a working actor has been both in Chicago and Los Angeles. That's coming up next. Ready to go behind the scenes and learn what it really takes to build a sustainable career as a working actor in the US film and TV industry. Join me Catherine back. You're all American accent coach, as I give you the insight and inspiration to take action on your career, learn my best tips and tricks to performing with an American accent and hear from working actors and other industry professionals. To give you a comprehensive overview of this biz we call showbiz. This is the All American actors podcast. Before we jump into today's podcast episode, I want to remind you if you've not yet had a chance to sign up for my free training on four steps to master the American accent I highly recommend you do if you are relatively new to the American accent or you've been at it for a while and you're really struggling. I highly recommend you check this out. Why? Because my approach to American accent training is very different to the typical dialect coach, but I get results. So I want to help support you. So make sure you sign up to the free training. Just head over to Katherine beck.com forward slash training sign up to one of the times. Come join me online and I'm going to show you my four steps to mastering the American accent. I look forward to seeing you there. All right, let's get into today's interview. I'm so excited to share this interview with you. Daniel tater is an old friend of mine. He was a freshman when I was a sophomore. So he was a year younger than me in high school. And we spent a lot of time together being in the theater crew, the theater group. We did you know a handful of shows together. We were always in the same area within the school, the theater department. So we spent a lot of time together. He is very talented both as an actor and singing and he does voiceovers, he does it all. So I'm really excited to share this interview with you. From his experience working in Chicago to working in LA to singing there was so much value in this interview. So without wasting any more time. Let's get to it, shall we? Welcome to the podcast, Daniel Tater. It is so good to see you. It's been many, many years.

Daniel Tatar
Yes, yes, it has. It's great to see you. It's been like 18 years.

Katherine Beck
It's been about 18 years. And we were just chatting before we started the podcast that it's been about 30 years that we've known each other which is crazy. Yeah.

Daniel Tatar
Yeah. Yeah, a long time ago, a different different chapter of our lives all together. So we

Katherine Beck
met in high school and I'm trying to think, was it in wanting up popery? Maybe that like, what was the one of the first things you did in freshman year? I'm trying to think how I would have met you.

Daniel Tatar
It was lasagna, popery? The beginning my freshman year, but I think it was To Kill a Mockingbird. Oh,

Katherine Beck
yes. But we weren't in the same cast. Right. I was we weren't,

Daniel Tatar
we weren't. But you know, we were all there at the same time.

Katherine Beck
Yes. Recording. Correct. Yeah. But what a great experience. That was I forgot about that.

Daniel Tatar
Yeah. Yeah. I just found old pictures actually, of like, some of that stuff. So. But we weren't in the same cast. I don't think I have you on there. But

Katherine Beck
that's right. But yes, we did. We spent a lot of time together. So I think that was the beginning of our actor friendship. And, you know, even though we've, you know, gone different ways. Obviously, I moved halfway around the world. We reconnected in LA and are you still in LA or?

Daniel Tatar
I was, we moved back a couple years ago, back to Chicago. So I'm based in Chicago, but, you know, we're just out in LA, probably every month. I'm back in LA right now. But especially coming out of the pandemic everything is so there's a virtual aspect to everything now from the audition through the the filming of some stuff. So,

Katherine Beck
yeah. Why don't we start by telling the listeners a little bit about who you are, because they're probably thinking, okay, they're friends, but how do they know each other? What is Daniel do so would you mind telling the audience a little bit about what you do?

Daniel Tatar
Sure, sure. I just censored several jokes like, you know, maybe I'm like your personal like, manager or you know, biggest fan of the fan club but yeah, so after I'm Daniel Tator born and raised outside of Chicago, right near you. And I studied acting in college. I, I, I'm trying to give the shorter version here. started acting in college. My professionally I started in in Chicago, spent some time in New York, came back to Chicago, then Los Angeles. And now back in Chicago, I keep kind of ending up here. I have a very talented, smart and beautiful wife and daughter. And yeah, that's, that's me. I worked in Oh, okay, a little bit more. I worked in a I've had a career in voiceover, in on stage work, and a lot of musicals, as well as in TV and commercials. And really tried to diversify as much as possible. You know, we've seen many ups and downs and various areas when there's a writer strike on TV, there's still stuff happening on in, you know, some voiceover world or stage work. And when stage work is quieter. There's opportunities and other other medium. So,

Katherine Beck
yeah, cool. And it really is that it's, you know, being able to pivot in and do different things within the industry. That's really key. So what's, what's been a favorite thing that you've done over the years? Like, is there something that stood out?

Daniel Tatar
Yeah, I have several for different reasons. The first one that comes to mind was doing a concert at Carnegie Hall. There were five of us who were it was Eric Whitacre is a composer. And he wrote this musical basically, that they had, if I remember correctly, was like a 500 person chorus behind us. So this massive sound like an epic, kind of, you know, like that movie. 300 is kind of what I always think about it was like this epic battle scene. And there's five of us downstage center at Carnegie Hall with this wall of sound behind. So that is a great memory. And, you know, anytime I can work in, in TV, there's sort of that pinch me moment of getting to be on set and getting to be next to these actors that I see on TV so that like Grey's Anatomy was was a favorites, and I just didn't have so this is us. So that was also fun. And for my, if you're asked my daughter, there was a voiceover I did for a leapfrog series, like a children's animated thing. And that for her was, was the coolest thing because it played in her kindergarten class. So, you know, my status went up. So

Katherine Beck
that's pretty good. My, my status has gone down, because my daughter was embarrassed of me. Every time she hears my voice, sees me on screen sees me on the tiktoks She's like, Please, stop.

Daniel Tatar
Yeah, I mean, this was kindergarten, we're now preteen. So I'm with you on that. There's nothing I can do. That's, that's not crazy, right?

Katherine Beck
Yes, crunchy. That's right. Okay, that is fascinating. Because that brings me back to when we were in high school, and I have a memory of you singing with a group of guys. And it's really interesting that as an adult, you were able to still do that and do do it at Carnegie Hall. Was that a dream of yours? Was that when you were younger? Did you say to yourself, oh, gosh, if I could do this when I get older, wouldn't that be great?

Daniel Tatar
No, it's it's really funny, Catherine because that that memory is like I was a core singer at best in high school. Like I never really had the, the solo. And then in college, I actually studied acting like straight acting, we had one musical theater class. But when I was getting close to graduating, I, you know, saw commercially there was more, there were more opportunities and more income for an actor if I could sing so my girlfriend at the time now my wife, she literally taught me how to read music. And this is like, junior year, my senior year of college. So I never had that vision that I was going to be performing at Carnegie Hall. No. I mean, I thought I was just going to be a straight actor. That was it. And I would say like 90% of my career has been involving singing, and even a lot of the TV things actually came from stage performances from singing like a director in the audience. And you know, kind of all connected

Katherine Beck
all right, but can we give the audience some backstory because the high school that we went to had some phenomenal singers and so it was very easy to think of yourself as not a good singer. You know, or, like an average or just like, because we had Uh, amazing singers, people that have performed on Broadway. Yes. So the stakes were high, you know, and so it was very easy to feel like you weren't a good singer. So I get that. Do you think that maybe some of that played into the decisions that you made after he left high school?

Daniel Tatar
I'm sure I'm sure they did. I mean, I always if I'm thinking of a vision, I remember being in high school, and even through college and going like Steppenwolf Theater and seeing the amazing stuff they were doing there. And I thought, that's the kind of actor I want to be, I want to be, you know, doing these, like, serious or even comedic, but just these, you know, these these very substantial plays is really what I thought. So singing was sort of, not something that I thought was was within a career path. But I also was trying to figure it out. I mean, I was 17. When I started college, I didn't know what I wanted to do it. I started studying medicine, I thought I was gonna be a pediatrician. I mean, really, I didn't know what I wanted. So,

Katherine Beck
yeah. Wow. And so you then mention also that, you know, you've had the opportunity to work on shows like Grey's Anatomy, and most recently, this is us. And how, how is that working? You know, on sets, that's very different to being on stage performing in Carnegie Hall. What's the difference there for you? But you know, what did you experience or notice in those working environments?

Daniel Tatar
Yes. The first thing that comes to mind is really how not just professional everyone is, but how amicable, how cordial how, how inviting everybody is to someone who's just coming on for a very short time. And here they are, they have, for both cases, both shows they've worked together for years. And yet, they were very inviting and welcoming to this person that just kind of dropping in for an episode. But definitely, the whole experience is different. Obviously, with a with a play or a musical, you have the time to create, you know, a cohesion with the fellow cast creed, that story arc, you know, kind of keep playing with it in here on set, you kind of show up performance ready, with some direction here and there. But you know, developing these connections quite, quite quickly, just a totally different process. But also you're you're using, you're flexing different muscles completely. So definitely was still that kid in the candy shop kind of feeling through the process. And you never never kind of sitting in it thinking yeah, you know, this is this is no big deal. I mean, it was really, it was exciting. It was exciting. So I think just kind of always being ready and wanting to, you know, do your best. And even for something like this is us. You know, now everything is being filmed. You don't you're not going into a casting office, you know, coming out of this pandemic, it's all virtual. So like filming in the house and having my my daughter to actually choose which ones she thought I should send in. So she's also taking a lot of credit for for something that also doesn't happen in stage work. So

Katherine Beck
that is true. That is very true. Yeah. And so what about because you were living in LA, and then you moved back to Chicago, you're living in New York moved back to Chicago? What keeps bringing you back to Chicago? And what's the key difference you notice in working in Chicago as an actor, because I know it's a great city, but it's evolved over time? It's much more opportunities. I think now am I right for actors over there?

Daniel Tatar
I think so. Yeah. So there's a lot more TV that's being filmed here right now. All of the the one Chicago they're calling it Chicago, PD, Chicago, med Chicago Fire, like all of them are, are shooting here. Weekly. So that's that's created a lot of opportunity. But also, I'm noticing a lot of actors, especially actors that have built a career here in Chicago, are doing more things in LA, there seems to be more of a again that bicoastal thing of Chicago's a third coast, but there's there seems to be a little bit more fluidity back and forth than that. I feel like there was before or maybe that's the excuse I'm making for myself, I don't know. But you know, people like Randy Reid, who built a career here stuff more often sample member is now mostly in in Chicago in LA. Alexander billings is a series regular now in a show out there and she she built a career here. So there's there seems to be a lot more more fluidity between the two and even in representation. There's a lot more agents that have developed here in Chicago that have offices in LA. So yeah, but I think I think the difference to answer that question is I feel like there's more of an ensemble aspect here in Chicago overall, not to say it's not in LA, but it usually seems to be the the New York transplants for the Chicago train. As plans, but here in Chicago, there's a lot of that assemble work happening, you're really creating something for the end supporting each other. In the process. It just feels like a different experience.

Katherine Beck
Yeah, for sure it does. You're right. It is that ensemble feel that you get when you're in Chicago. And I think that's what makes it really special. And the people are really great as well. Yes,

Daniel Tatar
yeah. But even even when I first started in LA, when we were both there, I remember going into rooms and casting directors would take note of the fact that I worked and studied in Chicago, like it was sort of a Oh, you, you you've actually studied that kind of thing. Or you've you've you've worked in that environment. So it was a it was a feather in the cap.

Katherine Beck
A feather in the cap for sure. Yeah. So what's...

Daniel Tatar
I've never used that expression before. By the way, I really don't know why.

Katherine Beck
You're sounding fancy for the podcast.

Daniel Tatar
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Your fancy you got a hole you got like an empire growing there. So I have felt like after like,

Katherine Beck
you know, it's so funny, because I recently interviewed another one of my old friends who I know from Chicago days, and you know, she's done really well in, like, sketch comedy and improv and all that. And

Daniel Tatar
the Off Broadway show.

Katherine Beck
Yes, Robin,

Daniel Tatar
I listen, you listened. I'm a fan. And

Katherine Beck
you're, you know, and what can I say? I'll send you my autograph. Um, but you know, it's funny. It's like, you don't really think about those sorts of things. And it's kind of like crazy. It's like you. I was actually the most recent interview that I just did with Courtney Elmer. So she's the the woman who taught me how to launch a podcast, she said something about, you know, like, this secret to success is really simple. It's about commitment, and consistency. And I think, you know, you do it for long enough, and you start to build that credit, credibility automatically. And I think that's really, you know, I'm curious to know what you think as well, being an actor, it's like, it's putting in those long yards that get you to this point where you're, you know, booking This is us, it's not something that happens overnight. And I think that's important for a lot of, you know, young actors, young professionals, you know, people just starting out in whatever business that they're in, is that it takes a while to get to that point. You know, how, yeah, what would be your perspective, your take on that?

Daniel Tatar
No, I agree completely. And I appreciate what you also say, when you're talking about branding, because I've often, you know, I'm the product in this case, right? I am literally the product, and how can I best sell myself and the the biggest thing is the relationship building, right? You know, people need to get to know the product and and get to know me, and what makes me unique, what makes me different. And I'd like to think that that, you know, I've worked hard to get here, I know that there's better actors than me. And, you know, there's always competition but, but I've made sure that I'm you know, in that room, I'm as genuine and authentic as possible, both in the audition and outside of it and connecting with people. And I think that's made a big difference of with the networking. And even if I think about certain jobs, a lot of those opportunities came because of the relationship building, of genuinely wanting to connect and not just, you know, yes, there's the sending out of the, you know, here's what I'm working on, we'd love for you to see kind of kind of promotional pieces, but also the genuine connections, you know, really building relationships. That has been a big part

Katherine Beck
of that. Yeah, for sure. And I think the first time I learned about branding was in a voiceover class I took at Kalman sin and Kalman sin. Yeah, in LA. That's the first time I think I heard about branding. And I was like, wow, what is this thing branding? And, you know, they really stressed how important it was in the voice over industry. And I had never heard that about acting at all. And then I started to equate that into acting as well. And I thought, why aren't people putting more attention on this? Like, it's so important, and, you know, especially in the acting industry, there's a million of us actors, so what sets you apart? And you know, I think the quicker you can define what that is, the more attractive you get within the the industry, whatever it is, yeah.

Daniel Tatar
And you I mean, you probably, I mean, you know, when you walk into that audition room and you see you know, 20 other people that have similar look to you and stuff like that so that, that your branding your what you bring to it, that uniqueness is what's going to You know, set you apart when I feel like when I became aware of that, like, what am I right? What's my, what sets me apart, I was able to own that more. And then, you know, being able to kind of lead with those qualities in certain instances, because, you know, I'm next to people who have similar coloring, similar builds to me. So had to, you know, focus on on those pieces.

Katherine Beck
It's like that Friends episode where Joey walks into the room, and there's he's got like his twin?

Daniel Tatar
Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Katherine Beck
Okay, so what's your so what's your brand then? So, you know, like, what sets you apart as an actor?

Daniel Tatar
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny, I think it's, it's evolved in certain ways. And I think like, the universal and I think it's evolved because of, of of life, right, I think, who I, who I was, and who I am today, you know, change because of various life events, I think, you know, I think, especially within the commercial world, you know, outside of voiceover, that multi ethnic aspect is, is a is a big one there, you know, there's not a, I don't have a, an accent that, you know, fits a certain, you know, ethnicity. And yet the the appearance is such that it could possibly be this possibly be that or, you know, so I think that trying to own that a bit more, and even the choices they make in terms of what, what color am I going to wear, right? What am I going to what are the clothes, I'm the wardrobe I'm going to wear that's going to sort of subtly highlight some of that. And but I think there's sort of a, it's the energy that I bring in, I'm not talking kind of metaphysically, I mean, literally, you know, just kind of the energy that I bring with me into the room. It's like this, this, this, the feedback that I've gotten, was it it's very, I walk in, and it's like, oh, yeah, this is a guy we want to work with. This is a guy that, you know, we'd like to, after rehearsal, like sit and talk with kind of thing, like just this personable amicable quality in terms of the work. And I think that I think I almost took it for granted in certain ways. Once it was identified that I assume more people would do it. You know, because that's your, your time to kind of show who you are not just as the actor, but what am I going to be like to work with? I think that whether it's the slates or whether it's, you know, another larger part of the audition, that's been a big part.

Katherine Beck
It's awesome. So, so true. It's so important, like going down to the smallest detail, like the color of the shirt that you wear can really, it actually can make a difference.

Daniel Tatar
Yeah, I, there was, it wasn't comments, I can't remember who it was. But now when you said that it triggered another memory, which sort of addresses what you were saying. It was a, it was a casting director workshop in LA. And they were they were pushing us to kind of think of what's that? What's that sentence? If someone's talking about you? How can they How can you describe yourself in one sentence, and what we came up with, which I still have have used today is that I'm a mix of Paul Rudd and Eric Bana. Oh, nice. So I, you know, in certain ways, now, sometimes I don't see it, but then sometimes like, oh, yeah, okay. There's, there's a quirkiness or the humor here and the Yeah.

Katherine Beck
Yeah, that's great. You know, Eric Bana is Australian.

Daniel Tatar
Look at that. Look at I should be so lucky.

Katherine Beck
Funny, because a lot of people think my husband looks like Eric Bana, or sometimes he has been mistaken for Eric Bana.

Daniel Tatar
Wow. That's very cool. I've never been missed it. No fun fact. Yeah. No have to

Katherine Beck
look at that. Yeah. No, you never know. You might walk out the door and somebody will say to to know that you look like the perfect mix between Eric Bana and Paul Rudd.

Daniel Tatar
Right. When they have that movie, where you need some like hybrid of them. Here I am,

Katherine Beck
where you are.

Daniel Tatar
For they'll just they'll just call your husband.

Katherine Beck
Or that. Yeah, I know. I think secretly he wants to be a performer, I think. Yeah, yeah. He lives

Daniel Tatar
through you. Is he living vicariously through you?

Katherine Beck
Yes. He loves to do accents. And I always say like, let's, let's get you into the biz. I got my, my daughter does voiceovers, you could do voiceovers, too. And he always says, There's only room for one actor in this family. Anyway, I'm curious to know are there any dream actors or directors or shows that you would like to, you know, be on or work with

Daniel Tatar
Yeah, that's a great question. I don't I don't know if I don't think I have like a specific show, but there's definitely actors or, or, or, you know, types of shows. I mean, I would love to work with Sean Hayes. I think that would be just I feel like that would be a masterclass just watching him from beginning to end. Definitely that half hour sitcom, I would love to do that. I haven't done that, but it's always been our line. Episodic? Yeah, that's, you know, there's a lot of actors that, especially in LA, right, you see them all the time, and I used to do a lot of benefit concerts again, looking at branding, right? I mean, I could sing, and, you know, sort of, again, knew I wasn't always the best, maybe I should start leading with that. But, you know, had to keep you had to keep fighting for it and go out there and meeting, you know, who was writing the music for different things. So it was a music director in town and find workshops, things to do with them. And then it led to these like benefit concerts that were happening, like, you know, the Beverly Hills Hilton, like these big events, where they had all these, like, TV celebrities, and people who were doing well in their careers, as like the soloist, and then they had like us behind to, you know, sing, you know, sing the, the chorus parts. So there was, it was a great opportunity to meet a lot of these people. And, you know, everyone's heart was in the right spot in terms of, we're here to support, you know, fundraising for cancer, Alzheimer's, and different, you know, different causes. And so it's always interesting when there was an actor you admired, who was also a great person, you're like, I want to work with you more. Or there's those times when there's an actor you admired, and they, they didn't treat people very well. So that was sort of a, a tangential response. But I think it was more so wanting to work with good people. You know, who were who I can I can always learn from. So Sean Hayes comes to mind. I'm sure there's many others that are completely blanking right now. But I just want to work. Yeah, I think that's

Katherine Beck
yeah. You know, I mean, that's the nature of the beast Being an actor is we go from job to job, and it's always looking for that next job. And, you know, we have moments where it's just raining and pouring with work, and then other moments where it's quiet, you know, and

Daniel Tatar
for Sutherland had said something in an interview. This is after like, four seasons of 24. And he was always worried that like, this job was going to end and no one would hire me, I'll never get work again. And so, you know, here's someone that had a lifelong career, and is still worried about, you know, that next job. So, yeah,

Katherine Beck
it's so true. I think that's I, I think that's probably in most actors. And I wonder if that's, you know, embedded in, you know, even those top notch like, actors that are working all the time, the big names, I'm sure that they probably probably still suffer from the same thought of, you know, what, am I going to get booked on something again, what's my next job? Is this it? Remember, I think hearing a quote from was it Viola Davis that was talking about imposter syndrome?

Daniel Tatar
Oh, yeah. No, I'm talking about. Yeah, I don't know the interview. But the whole concept of imposter syndrome. Yeah.

Katherine Beck
Yeah. And I think that it's just amazing. It doesn't matter at what stage you're at. We're all somewhere deep down inside thinking the same thing. Like we're going to be found out that we're, we're actually not a good actor. I mean, like, we just don't give ourselves credit.

Daniel Tatar
Yeah, yeah. Except there was this one time, I'm 100% sure of this. I know that, you know, sure. I have my actor insecurities, or whatever. But I had just moved back to Chicago. But again, you know, people who live in LA, go do a show in New York. So it was never a thing of I'm leaving, right. I just was sort of going to be able to travel. And so I got a call to come back and do this workshop, have a new have a new show of a new show. And there were a lot of name, people in it. So I guess I'm definitely going back for this. But when I showed up when I pulled into the parking lot, and the producer was there, the one who had called me that I knew from before. I don't think I was I think he called the wrong person because his face was like, What what are you doing here? And yeah, so he didn't say that, but that was his facial expression. So there might be impostor syndrome, but then I'm, I'm 100% sure that he was expecting someone else so

Katherine Beck
well, I was expecting you today.

Daniel Tatar
Yes. terrific.

Katherine Beck
So well what's on the horizon? What's what's next for? For you? You got my Dan or Daniel?

Daniel Tatar
I think Daniel Yeah, it depends on when you met me my life, right? I mean, like there's still parents from Grammar School that call me Danny. You know, I got that. Daniel was like, was largely LA and then Chicago seems to be more Damn. You know, it's interesting. It's like it's like, getting maybe a branding, right who am I in each community but Daniel is the Yeah, the official name. I want to

Katherine Beck
call you Tater. Because I think Holly Tater.

Daniel Tatar
People call me tater still.

Katherine Beck
But I digress. So what's next for you? Is there anything coming out?

Daniel Tatar
Um, yeah. You know, there's I'm always involved in. I also do different workshops, like I've done things are different, you know, leading different workshops at colleges around a lot of branding. But not just for actors. It's been interesting. I've had like political science undergrads that they're like, oh, yeah, this, this makes totally sense. And this is how I can adapt it to, to my world. So I really enjoy that enjoy the teaching aspect. A lot. And I also do a lot of like, in live in person facilitation for different, like different experiential educators sort of a side thing that I really enjoy. But in terms of in terms of acting and recording, I'm doing a lot of why am I blanking on the on the word demo demo recordings for different was gone. It's gonna say voiceovers, that's because you were talking about voiceover, a lot of demo recordings for different different musicians, different artists, so people that have, you know, written like the, like the Toy Story musical for Disney, and you know, things like that. So like, they're their new projects, they're trying to get pitch. And that's another thing of just, you know, and that's how that's how the Carnegie Hall thing came about with Eric Whitacre was a workshop at first it was we're going to record these we're going to test a few and then you know, you're there from the start, you're helping to create these characters. And so that's something I really enjoy doing. And so that's in the horizon. Those are the projects that I'm looking at where I'm, you know, we're able to kind of create this character, and what happens if we change the song so that it's more like this, you know, and bringing more of myself to it. So a lot of his recording right now.

Katherine Beck
Hmm. Very cool. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that. More recording. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Well, any last words of advice? For those that are just starting out? You know, from us old folks that have been in the business for a

Daniel Tatar
while? Yes. I think I mean, I think you give a lot of good advice on your podcast, I think it's more of just listened back to all the episodes. I mean, I think the branding is a really important thing that a lot of people don't, I don't think a lot of people view themselves as the product, I think, because you talked to the beginning of this, about the importance of putting in the work of putting in the long days. And I think and also just going out there and sort of bringing other experiences to the work, you know, those people that I went to college with a just, you know, did, acting 24 hours a day, but when other but other people went in, you know, if they studied abroad, you know, and still is acting but you know, those experiences and enrich what you're able to bring those life experiences. And I think those are really important too. And I think I would say the biggest thing is to celebrate the little victories, I think it's really important. You know, if you don't get a job, because that is going to happen. It's what did what was successful, right? I made this new connection, or I felt really good about the audition. Or I did extra steps. I had a coach helped me with it. And what did you do or network with somebody new, or I got a call back, whatever these are to celebrate those rather than just look at? I didn't get the job. And I think that those make the journey a little easier. Yeah, a little bit more enjoyable.

Katherine Beck
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's really great advice. And so true. So important, what you said about thinking of ourselves as a product because you know, I don't think we often consider that and as actors especially you have to be able to explain to your your agent, your manager or a casting director who you are and what you how you can benefit their whatever Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.

Daniel Tatar
Yeah, I feel like yeah, just it's been it's been it's so excited. I feel like it now have come full circle like getting to talk to you from the very beginning during the lasagna, the the student written musical Oh, and the freshman sophomore played To Kill a Mockingbird to write. Now you're sitting there with your own podcast your your empire in Australia,

Katherine Beck
my empire here in Australia. That's right. We have come a long way. And yes, that's right. I am a year older than you. So I have a little bit more experience. But you know, I won't hold that against you.

Daniel Tatar
You look younger. So that's the

Katherine Beck
thing. You're doing. All right. Anyway, thank you so much, Dan. It was great chatting with you. And I wish you all the success.

Daniel Tatar
Thank you. You too.

Katherine Beck
Thanks. Thank you so much, Daniel, for joining me on the podcast. And hey, if you're out there and you're thinking, gee, you know what I really want to master that American accent and get on shows like this is us and really start taking my career to the next level. Well need I remind you that I've got that free training waiting for you, all you need to do is head over to Katherine beck.com Ford slash training and I will see you there. Now next week on the show, we are talking about the actor's mindset and why that is so important for you to really get yourself into the right frame of mind and my whole theory of shift the way you think you will shift the way you speak. And you're gonna see how that's really going to shift your American accent and shift you into booking more US roles. That's coming up next week. So I will see you then. And remember, if you liked the show, don't forget to tag me on your Instagram Stories. Take a screenshot of the show and share it with me at Katherine underscore Beck underscore now make sure to share the show with all your actor friends, let them know what's coming up next week and invite them to tune in with you and learn how to become an All American actor so you can be the Working Actor you dream to be until then go on, get out there and practice your American accent and I will see you back here next time.